Their drives seem to always go miles and I dont know about you but Im always checking myself to think whether I indeed heard the commentator correctly that they are actually hitting that high an iron for that 200+ yard approach shot. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. It's good for some laughs. Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Executive Director, The First Tee of Louisville, Jennifer Helgeson f[yZ3 /=KCYOSg~VN@ [email protected]@U$ Q\8H`/ 9Hj: .1xq http://web.tigerwoods.com/onTour/seasonStatistics. It's good for some laughs. Paste as plain text instead, 915 FD Tiger Woods Trackman numbers, I thought they were posted on here at one time from an event. endobj [/quote] Did your coach share the TrackMan report with you on mytrackman.com ? I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). |K_ %E_{/{5* Bx2 @ xM6#N Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. To fix that we changed to the new wedge with fresh grooves and made it a degree flatter to straighten my flight up. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? It's not the length that makes a pro. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] Top 100 PGA Tour Player Analysis, What Clubs Do LPGA players use? What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. [/quote] But then on the next hole when they come back down the hill with the wind behind them, they all go 340. On top of that it drew me feeling like unless I can hit it 250 every time and at least shoot in the low 90s from the Blue I might as well just give golf up. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. Shaft: Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Blue 7 X, 3-wood: Callaway Rogue ST Max (15 degrees) #TeamTrackMan I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. [/quote] [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] How many average golfers drive the ball 250 yards and keep it in the fairway? Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. This is so I could hit it higher and spin it more, enabling me to access that tough pin position. [/quote] Top 100 Player Analysis. I hit a green today which was 163 so pulled a 6 iron landed on back part of the green 10 yds past the flag. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Im a baseball coach who plays golf when I can. Have a look at his driver and 6 People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. I know I hit the ball a long way though. Everyone has one. This is really intersting reading and I could not agree more with the finding your distance principal. Odyssey Metal X Milled #1. Vokeys are no doubt aspirational golf clubs, you are viewed as a knowledgeable and better golfer if you have these in the bag. Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. [quote name='Hamish777' timestamp='1364356541' post='6704153'] Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. yfvp ~ AnFVS0Y")Mb@3PNm[GVI=! Ever found a yardage you like? I think the difference is practice, practice and more practice. Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. WebIn 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. You can watch my full review via the Golfalot YouTube channel here: If you like what you see, please make sure you SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to see all Golfalot video reviews and features first. Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. Again, I would certainly encourage you to get fitted for these due to the variations on offer and especially get fitted on grass as a mat does not give any useful feedback on interaction needed for bounce and grind. Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. I guess that's laughable though, right? The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. But if you take the averages over a season you are going to get more than a good idea of how far the pros are hitting each club. Justin credits his success on the PGA TOUR to a childhood full of direction, support, and love. Top 100 Player Analysis, drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players, How Do Pros Hit the Ball So Far? Im wondering if there are outliers here?. Commented here a while ago Im actually not sure before I used GPS through my mobile whether I hit it further than I do now. I blame it on TV coverage. I think the average student that I ask tells me that a tour player hits a 6 iron 220 yards. By Handicap, Age & Swingspeed, Should Your Driver Match Your Woods? Spin Rate 2,645.8 Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high Im a 9 handicap wanting to get into the low single digits. That means the distance from the center of the green tothe edge averages just under 44 feet. Ball Speed 176.38 A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. My handicap is 24, but my driving (swing) works well. When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted This informative information was more helpful for golfers. Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. People that take hole distance & distance on approach to calculate driving distance is what's funny. This is something Im finding out at a 14 handicap. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. also his AoD on the stinger. Assuming however the pros are hitting standard lofted pitching, gap, sand and lob wedges we found the following stock distances for how far the pros hit them. I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. Your link has been automatically embedded. I would say probably is bs. But he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340 Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ [] Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. Total Distance Efficiency 2.484. Its about 20% less when comparing PGA vs LPGA. Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. [/quote] any 7 iron data ? 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? Torrey Pines South, huh? Ive played four rounds since reading this, and shot 81, 83, 79, and 78. I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. Am I as good as tour pro? You can follow GolfWRX on Twitter @GolfWRX, Facebook and Instagram. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! Mike Austin Swing: When Does the Release Start? So just to confirm what we are indeed up against we took a detailed look at just how far the top pros are hitting their clubs. TSi2 18, VTS Silver 8xMizuno MP Fli Hi 21, Recoil 110MP-20 MMC 5-P,DG X100SM850F, 54S, 58MPXGCloser Gen 2Tour BX. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. By funding programming and fulfilling requests of those in need, they are committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. By comparison a 5-wood carries 235 yards and hit a 3 hybrid, which measures from 19 to 21, an average carry distance of 230 yards. This put him near the bottom of the pack. Hang Time 5.8 Thanks for the post. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Web27K views, 94 likes, 1 loves, 33 comments, 13 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from TrackMan: Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). Firstly there is really no need to play an 8 iron that long, secondly why on earth would you play nothing but trap draws especially with short iron Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Driver: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (9 degrees @ 8) They think that a drives are always over 320, which they are not not even close. I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. I would guess those numbers are pretty much all-out, perfect contact, carry distances. I feel pretty confidant in saying that those aren't his stoc 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. I can say that Trackman is second to none, and its always my first recommendation to others. I don't play professional golf. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364414933' post='6708795'] How Far Should I Hit My Hybrids? I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I'm planning to change my irons this year after a number of years but before heading straight to a club fitter to test out all the latest and greatest models I thought it would be interesting to take What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! Get off the elite courses and look at the ones where people are paying maybe $45 to play, not $200+. We share your golf passion. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] Once you except your limitations, you can get out and enjoy the game we LOVE instead of loathing it. [/quote] I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Add That Little Extra Limited is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees (at no cost to you) by linking to Amazon.com. They were consistently breaking 80 if not the mid 70s and almost every time hit their drives relatively straight and 275 to over 300 yards without a problem and doing it from the blue or blacks . The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. I would recommend that you go visit a TrackMan certified coach, he/she will be able to help you with your club speed. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. Thats a course representative of the average golfer? I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? I know his swing speed with driver is up around 120mph but thats all they seem to show on tv. Yet I hit my driver 230 yards to what they say is average, 214. Its important for me to have a 58 degree that works first and foremost in a bunker and then to chip with, because I use my 52 to chip with more often than not as I like to see the ball on the ground and rolling towards the hole so it has a chance of dropping in. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. [/quote] Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. [/quote] The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high By understanding simple averages and probabilities, a golfer can choose the best club and target for each shot. We've enjoyed playing this great game with friends, family and competitors from all over the world for many years. One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. He is giving up 30 yards of total distance off the tee, which makes his approach shots more difficult. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. [/quote] Unless you're using the ball you play with every round, in the different conditions you play in, the numbers on the Trackman are null and void. Their delivery will be erratic and Vokey is a bladed wedge which offers little help in the forgiveness department. The strike felt tight knit and the spin was better than my SM8 52 degree wedge. How to gain more distance without swinging faster? WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas ! The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. Hang Time 5.8 Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Srixon WG-706 56 w/ Nippon Modus Prototype C10 S There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. But he does not average those. There is CG shift between lofts and there is a progressive hosel length in the wedges to balance out weight distribution. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Following 3 Trackman lessons and 4 Trackman practice sessions (and my own research) i have moved my swing path nearly 5 degree in to out. My total yardage for my 7 iron is 190, my ball speed is 119 mph. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. More photos from the event here. PGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. When you watch the PGA Tour or any major championship on TV it is hard not to notice how far pro golfers hit the ball. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. [/quote] The wedge glided through the turf and nipped the ball at impact, resulting in reliable soft strikes. This instant gratification can be achieved through the 30-45 minute TrackMan Combine process! While these yardages will give you a general guide as to how far pros hit their wedges it is important to remember how particular all the pros are about these clubs especially. Mack Made Custom Blade. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. My problem is the amount of power i have and need to work on half wings. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Length is nothing. What about the balls we use. Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, New face technologies provide more forgiveness and spin consistency, Designed for golfers with more moderate swing speeds, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. My time spent on the driving range tells me there are a lot of guys hitting 100 yards, 125, 150, 175a few hitting 190.and an even smaller number hitting over 200. Should my ball speed be faster based on the distance Im getting. To make such large scale improvements, we must first better understand the patientin order to diagnose the problems. Absolutely awesome numbers though. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ I spent a year playing by myself getting lessons finding a swing and just focused on having fun. There are golfers out there who are scratch only hitting the ball 200-250. T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X, 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. The title would be just as useful as well. Youd be correct and that is why its always best to get fitted and discuss purchases with your pro. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. Does the AMA truly know how far each of their clubs carries? I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. I also shot 86. You can post now and register later. People that take hole distance & distance on approach to calculate driving distance is what's funny. My question is my average D is +5.3, 6I is +3.5 and 8I is +2.1. The flight is reduced and the spin still remains. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Of course, playing shorter courses seems very obvious if you want to improve performance. Pasted as rich text. Maybe 126 or 127. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. Spin Rate 2,645.8 Consistency is Key, Are Driving Range Distances Accurate? Launch Angle 11.28 The previous table looked at the approach distance the AMA will have based on hole length and average drive distance. Justin Thomas is one of the most exciting and popular golfers on the PGA TOUR. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. Cobra Radspeed 5W RDX Blue, Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4i Tour AD DI I don't measure my driver distance either. How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? Scotty Cameron SS Newport Beach w/ UST Frequency Filter and Rosemark Thorn 1.52 grip. I also shot 86. On average pros drive the ball a total of 296.6 yards (yds) according to official PGA Shotlink data. Titleist 913D3 9.5* Diamana D+ 72s To me, working on improving distance happens only after theyve advanced beyond the AMA category. Victoria II. Circa62, Tiger also ranks 125th on tour in total driving efficiency. The longest player hits it 320 yards People that dwell on the fact that other people like to know their distances are funny. Hi Gerry. Either way I don't care. They make me giddy and want to practice my short game all the time. show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer. The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. However the pros have what is called a stock yardage for their irons, which equates essentially to the average distance they will hit a full shot with each iron swinging normally. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Especially when they was no other golfers in sight. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. What is fascinating also though as you dig more into the figures is the distance control options the best players in the world have with almost every club in their bag! STEAL THESE FROM ME! You can see the fuller head at the top of the toe in the lob wedges when the clubs are aligned next to each other, but you can only slightly notice a change in shape at address. [quote name='swanry30' timestamp='1364407652' post='6707945'] As for his short irons his 8-iron yardage is 165, he hits his 9-iron 150 yards and his pitching wedge 135 yards on average. To help however answer the question as well as we can the table below shows the varying distances some of the top pros, including Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy and Dustin Johnson, are hitting their wedges, together with the degrees of loft their clubs are listed at. [quote name='J.W.' Im your AMA although Im trending down. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. hard to say for sure who was at fault in the beginning i am 7 handicap play with a friend who is 26-28 i play blue he plays white even when an extra player joins me on the blue he still plays white. Average club speed was 105-112, average ball speed was 139-152, and average rpm was between 4400-5100. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. Yes! Do All Golf Balls Go the Same Distance? Because winning money, titles, and shooting low scores doesnt involve all that much power hitting, especially with the irons. For as long as I can remember Vokey have been the top wedge brand in golf. I visited Hillside GC practice ground to have a full custom fitting session with the new SM9s. With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. It is fun and I find that I usually am scoring better than I would say 90% of the guys I play with now, hitting on average longer than 90% and I realize that that is because shooting in the 90s means in golf you are better than most so above average which unless you played since a teenager and have no other life and want to play 4 to 5 days a week or more that is all you can ask for. Top 50 Player Breakdown, What Irons Do LPGA Players Use? Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Wedges: Cobra Trusty Rusty (50, 55), Tour Trusty (60) Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. 3-irons average 217 yds, 4-irons 208 yds, 5-irons 199 yds, 6-irons 188 yds, 7-irons 177 yds, 8-irons 164 yds and 9-irons 153 yds. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. Open navigation menu. [quote name='eddie_max' timestamp='1364438260' post='6711367'] Upload or insert images from URL. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Short hitter compared to the average WRXer 5 0 obj Even when playing from the green tees at Torrey Pine South, the AMA is left with 165 yards for his approach shot. 716MB (5-PW)- DG S400 [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Am I as good as tour pro? The calculated distances for the approach shot are based on actual driver data and optimized driver data for the AMA is also listed. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. Check out the actual averages from the PGA Tour for the entire year: Now this is not to say that a tour player cant ramp it up another gear if they felt like showing off. The AMA isnt going to be achieving this max theoretical 255 yard drive very often. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX, Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Callaway XR Pro (20) Diamana White 90X The pros, like the rest of us, will be hitting a driver as far as they can 99% of the time but when it comes to their 3-wood, 5-wood and hybrids they can be using those clubs off the tee and for approach shots and will not always be aiming for their maximum yardage with those clubs. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high A single figure golfer all of his adult life he lives in London and still enjoys playing whenever he can with friends and family. This gap is the highest one Titleist advise in custom fitting, they like to see only 4 degrees between clubs which unfortunately means you are buying 3 wedges and paying an additional 169. Anyone remember young Guan the 14 year old at Augusta he was so small he could only drive it 250 but did alright. Cameron Napa California @ 34"[/b]. Even my 4 iron ball speed max is 137 and Im getting 235 yards. As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I appreciate that. I think you wish you hit it further. Top 50 Pros Analysis. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. On average PGA Tour pros hit a 3-wood a carry distance of 249 yards. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. Close suggestions Search Search Search Search Great read with invaluable data and information. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached My taylermade aero burner average distance is 330 yards on a good day 364 yards. I have always wanted a push draw and now i can see the light in the tunnel.
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